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Post by peacekeeper on Feb 21, 2006 19:28:59 GMT -5
| Your name: | peacekeeper | | Name(s) to be searched: | John B. Cloud | | State and towns: | Nebraska, Minnesota, South Dakota | | Baptismal search: | | | Email is optional: | | | Extra comments: | John B. Cloud was married prior to Elizabeth aka Ipawega. Her name was Agnes. They had 3 children together: Henry, Johnson, and Jane. I am looking for any information on this woman, what her name was prior to the marriage, both English and Native American.
Jackie |
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 22, 2006 2:24:34 GMT -5
Reference: 1880 USCensus for Moody,Dakota Territory lists John B. Cloud Age 36 Occupation Farmer born Minn. Parents born Minn
Wife: Agnes Cloud age40 or 48 born Minn parents born Minn
children:
Johnson Cloud age 4 born Dakota
Henry Cloud Age 3 born Minn.
Jane Cloud age 2 born Minn.
Sorry no Indian name for her.
I would suggest you check the Flandreau Censuses.
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Post by peacekeeper on Feb 22, 2006 7:35:21 GMT -5
Hermin 1,
Thanks for the info. I am going to sit down and go through them. However, here is the problem. I only see one census with Agnes on it. After that she disappears and Isabella or Elizabeth aka Ipawega replaces her. I want to know what happened to Agnes and I am trying to find her Indian and English name.
Jackie
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Post by hermin1 on Feb 22, 2006 17:42:13 GMT -5
Jackie: Have you tried the Dakota Teritory Censues? she maybe on the 1879 Censuses, although I don't know if her Indian Name is on it if she was still married to John B. Cloud then. Here are some web sites youc an try: www.census-finder.comwww.census-finder.com |
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Post by peacekeeper on Feb 22, 2006 23:21:18 GMT -5
Thank you very much. I will try it tomorrow.
jackie
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Post by tamara on Apr 11, 2006 23:58:28 GMT -5
Jackie
I know someone who has asked me if I have any information on a man named John B Cloud. The family names I am given are John B Cloud and Victoria Horned Eagle who have a daughter Nancy. Nancy marries a man named Oscar West. My understanding of this family is that they are known to live in the Montana area. Are there two John B Clouds to your knowledge?
Tamara
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Post by fancy1 on Apr 16, 2006 14:05:45 GMT -5
Looking for information on John B. Cloud born in 1849 in Minnesota, father of Nancy Cloud West. Does anyone have any information as to who this John B. Cloud's parents were. The census information I have indicates his parents were both born in Minnesota but so far I have not had any luck finding out who they were. Also John B. does have a daughter Nancy whose mother is listed as Victoria Horned Eagle who I would like information on also. I have Moody County Census' that indicate he was married to Anna, Isabella, Elizabeth - all within a short time period. I am confused about that.... Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by matoakicita on Apr 16, 2006 14:23:41 GMT -5
fancy one anna , Isabella , and elizabeth are the same person IPAWEGA she passed away in 1912 , then john B marries a mary Mcconnel in 1915 she is from (assiniboine)savoy montana a small town along highway # 2 on the FORT BELKNAP reservation.
all the census i have read shows that nancy, moses , and joseph are all with john B. & ipawega. I can't remember who ,but I talked to a relative of nancy's and the probate was wrong and is or was changed again I onl;y heard this haven't seen the doc. we don't know where the name victoria horned eagle comes from?
I'm from moses oyate here in montana I'm meeting with a member from MN this afternoon to see what we have any ? call me at
les bighorn (406)768-7460
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Post by matoakicita on Apr 17, 2006 23:37:00 GMT -5
hi all found a old journal of john b he list IPAWEGA FULL NAME. IT IS GET THIS
TATE IPAWEGA MANI WIN OR LOOSELY TRANSLATED WALKS CROSSING WIND WOMAN
TATE=WIND IPAWEGA=CROSS OR CROSSING MANI=WALK
also it has this interesting info OYEWASTEWIN CINCA KIN HEN
MARPIYASHUNKA CINCA KIN
NANCY CLOUD
MOSES CLOUD
JOSEPH CLOUD
CINCA=CHILD , KIN=YOUR HEN=THESE
HOPES THIS HELPS
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Post by jrandjb on Apr 18, 2006 9:35:19 GMT -5
The information given to the enrollment office and for Nancy's death cerficate was WRONG. John B. and Elizabeth had a daughter named Victoria, who died. They also had a daughter named Agnes...who died, and a son named Wallace Clark, who died. I believe there are TWO John B Clouds. The one on the census with Agnes as a wife, is a different John B. I believe this to be true because the ages just don't match up.
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Post by fancy1 on Apr 21, 2006 21:36:35 GMT -5
What PROOF do you have this this information was incorrect?
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Post by tamara on Apr 22, 2006 16:41:12 GMT -5
This really means nothing in regard to the John B Cloud case... but I know in my own family and another family close to them in 1880 lists the first born daughter as the wife of the husband and it is a situation that had confused a number of documents later. We however know factually that the daughter listed as a wife IS NOT the mans wife's name. The only thing I had noticed in the number of different census records I saw on the John B Family is that in each one. The wife regardless of the ages is continuely a bit older than John B Cloud. That much seemed consistant.
Tamara
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Post by hermin1 on Apr 23, 2006 1:10:41 GMT -5
You're right, your information is moot, especially when you have no proof that this practice was common. Two Swallows do not make a summer.
And , Yes, there is more than one John B. Cloud, but my understanding from Fancy? is that the other is not the one she is looking for information on.
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Post by tamara on May 2, 2006 12:54:04 GMT -5
You're right, your information is moot, especially when you have no proof that this practice was common. Two Swallows do not make a summer. And , Yes, there is more than one John B. Cloud, but my understanding from Fancy? is that the other is not the one she is looking for information on. ouch... I am not trying to state at all that "this practice was common" just stating that it happened at least once LOL and that census information can be incorrect. The only thing moot in my remark is the fact that I am speaking of another family not the John B Cloud family specifically. (sigh) |
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Post by hermin1 on May 5, 2006 0:25:12 GMT -5
Tamara: Please excuse my bruskness. You were just reporting what you saw on the censuses you mentioned. If you think that is bad, the BIA has one of the people Imhelping's mother listed as the sister to her own mother.
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